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April 28, 2009

shut up, he explained

shut up, he explained


Just a thought … but what would happen tomorrow if President Obama came to the microphone and announced:
“My fellow Americans, I have come to my senses and I want to stand here and apologize to my Republican friends from the former administration for any implication there may have been from the White House that they were in any way wrong about using the CIA to torture people in Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. I just don’t know what I was thinking, you know? OF COURSE I want the power to make people disappear and then hurt them until they say anything I want. Why wouldn’t a president want to be able to listen in to the conversations and read the email of, oh, I don’t know, political enemies who threaten the national security some how and all hush hush and state secrets and suspended habeas corpus and all that lawyer double talk? I mean, what president wouldn’t want to look across the table and be able to say “how would you like to visit Cuba? ‘Cause that’s where you’re going if you don’t sign off on this.”? I mean, it’s just too good. I mean, if you wanted a national show trial of, I don’t know, say, a former Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State or maybe even an elected official that isn’t really either judicial, legislative or executive, you know, I mean, it would be better if the show trial could include a nice videotaped confession, you know.
So, as to the press conference, the first amendment no longer applies to the president since we’re at war and all and you guys can buzz off and if you don’t like it, just remember Abu Grahib and Baghram have plenty of room for dissenters.
Good night, America. Sleep tight. I got it covered. Out.”

I don’t think the right wing realizes that they are, in essence, arguing that all presidents have the power that Bush arrogated to himself. Have they considered an Obama presidency with those powers and the willingness to use them that Dick Cheney displayed?

Do conservatives, or at least what passes for those that use that word, really want a president with that much power? I can’t believe iit. I can’t believe they don’t know what they are saying. I just can’t believe an American political party can be so far off the beam as to really be arguing in favor of a permanent despotic presidency.
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later, April 27, 2009 (updated)

In the immortal words of Shep Smith, “I don’t give a rat’s ass. This is AMERICA! We don’t fucking torture.”

FROM THE ‘YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS SHIT UP’ DEPT:

Los Angeles Times – ‎Fox Broadcasting is taking a pass on President Obama’s Wednesday news conference, opting instead to run a new episode of its crime drama “Lie to Me”.

So, which is it? A press conference, Lie to Me, all same same, right?

Fox is SO fair and balanced.

April 25, 2009

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There’s a bit of silver lining in the torture controversy I must mention. A Navy lawyer named Alberto Mora, a Cuban-American, won the Profile in Courage Award for standing up to Rumsfeld and putting a stop to “aggressive interrogations”, i.e., torture, at Guantanamo Bay when this stuff first came up early in the Bush first administration. There was also a Lt. Col. in the Air Force who was commandant of the trainers who used these techniques to train pilots to resist torture by our enemies who also advised against use of these methods and plainly said why: it’s illegal torture and it doesn’t work. Somewhere in the bowels of the FBI is an interrogation team leader who also stood up at Gitmo and withdrew his crew rather than have any part of the torture of detainees. Similarly, the Navy Criminal Interrogation Task Force team at Gitmo was ordered to “stand clear” on request from the CITF force on site. Both the FBI team leader and CITF commander went all the way to Gitmo’s commanding general to object and when the first Gitmo commandant stopped it upon the request of these trained interrogators, Rumsfeld changed commandants and the torture proceeded. Let’s not forget the State Dept. counsel, Zelikow, who sent a memo around to CIA, DOD and the White House telling everyone the OLC memos were full of shit and did not correctly state the law and history of these techniques. Not only does this mean that there are good Americans to be celebrated for their heroism, it also means that everyone who knew what was being ordered knew that it was torture because they had been bluntly told. There’s a special place in hell for Condi Rice, who gave the green light as NSC advisor.
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April 24, 2009

its-not-fascismTurns out my instinct to hang waterboarders from a tall tree wasn’t so far off the mark. After World War II, at the so-called “Tokyo Trials”, an international military commission tried, convicted and hanged Japanese for the war crime of waterboarding. There are many sources for this information, for example John McCain in November of 2007.

Those who forget history are destined to repeat it.

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